Ladyjane wrote:"However, I'm not far off from the Ornish numbers in my current Gundry incarnation."
GeorgeN, How much of Gundry's protocol have you adopted? All of it or parts of it? And if parts of it, which parts?
We are Gundry patients and have been for a number of years. We have posted details of all of our four consultations with transcripts and redacted labs and the links are in this
post. Just so happens we are having another one this afternoon and will post same on that one later.
We follow Gundry's Plant Paradox (used to be called "Matrix") eating list, but modified for ApoE4's per his recommendations. So the only animal/fish/dairy/poultry/pork we consume are from omega3 or pastured eggs, shell fish or white fish. At this writing we only do this 2-3 times per week and that is mostly the eggs. We eat the fish/shellfish a couple of times a month. Additionally our protein from animal products, on the days we eat them, is limited to 20g/day. His most recent food lists are
here. We don't do hardly any fruit except avocado. When I did a two week detailed diet diary in March, with a gram scale, here are the results:
Item Average Minimum Maximum
Energy (kcal) 2167.46 1800.55 2495.41
Protein (g) 52.04 34.61 69.84
Carbs (g) 122.11 87.89 179.42
Fiber (g) 51.30 44.36 66.14
Starch (g) 21.20 6.71 89.95
Sugars (g) 32.14 23.98 41.24
Fat (g) 175.04 142.54 212
My wife doesn't do all the crazy stuff that follows, though she also gets excellent results. In fact her A1c (<4.2%) beats mine (4.6%). She eats in an 8 hour window daily.
Not per Gundry but I am also doing a fasting/refeeding experiment described in more detail
here. There are more posts about this farther down in the thread. I've eaten once a day, in a two hour window, for 26 months, been keto-adapted for 8 years. In the fasting/refeeding experiment, I fast for a continuous 120 hour block (5 days) once in every 14 day period. So if I eat Sunday night, I'll eat again Friday night. Then the next fasting cycle starts a week from the following Monday. I've done 8 of these since May 1 and had done 6 prior to my most recent blood work for Gundry (which was taken after 9 days of refeeding). I'm weight stable when looked at from day 1 of a fasting cycle to day 1 of the next cycle.
I've also repeated this exercise
experiment on the day of the link and every fifth fasting day since that I've been home. On the subsequent ones, I've been able to increase either load or time under load each time, though not dramatically like the first one that I linked.
We'll post full labs later but TC = 163 mg/dL, TG=58 mg/dL, HDL=57 mg/dL, LDL-C=102 mg/dL, LDL-P 1116 mmol/L, sdLDL-c 20 mg/dL, Lp(a) 26 mg/dL, ApoB/ApoA-1= 0.56